WW2 vs modern entertaintment

[kppgno]

There probably is no point in making a post about which you like more.. its probably clear that everyone on these forums prefer WW2..

I myself wouldn't be as excited if this game were a modern shooter(i'd still love it.. but face it... WW2 makes it more epic)

anyway.. so why do people prefer Modern over WW2? movie wise..games wise?
there are barely any WW2 movies anymore.. and the amount of video games are getting lower and lower..

the only excuse people come up with "it has already been done" .. but isn't it true for modern entertainment? modern warfare 2? its been done... modern warfare 1... full spectrum warrior..stalker.. and thats only 2.. so whats wrong with WW2 genre? is it not interesting enough for people?

[Zengotten]

You can't really compare "modern" games to WW2 games because modern games very often have their own fictitious story or alternate universe, WW2 games often don't, they all use the same story: what happened in real life history. If some games came out that had their own fictitious alternate time line that takes place in WW2 times then those games would be just as popular as the "modern" games right now. It has almost nothing to do with whether the game takes place in WW2 era or modern era that decides if people like it or not...

[Sgt So and So]

Originally Posted by Zengotten

You can't really compare "modern" games to WW2 games because modern games very often have their own fictitious story or alternate universe, WW2 games often don't, they all use the same story: what happened in real life history. If some games came out that had their own fictitious alternate time line that takes place in WW2 times then those games would be just as popular as the "modern" games right now. It has almost nothing to do with whether the game takes place in WW2 era or modern era that decides if people like it or not...

'Turning Point' didn't really do that well, though.

Modern is a trend, just like the WW2 games were back in the day. I just preferred the last trend more.

[colonal chaos]

I do find it funny when people say "been there done that" about WWII games when modern warfare games are getting beaten to death right now. There are far too many in my opinion. The COD M/W series, and the recent release of Bad Company 2.

But hey, people are buying.

[Onearmy]

I want to see the spotlight being placed on either Vietnam or WWI.

[Guardian]

I don't really mind what it is if the game is good. And by good I mean as realistic as they can get it, I hate spray and pray gmaes.

[kppgno]

Originally Posted by Onearmy

I want to see the spotlight being placed on either Vietnam or WWI.

WW1 will probably never happen.. the war consisted of mostly sitting in a trench... there wasn't much as we'd like to think there was..

Though unless they could pull it off like darkest of days did (not basing the entire game on WW1.. but some parts.. so it doesn't get boring..)

They should make a new WW2 game..something new... is it taboo to play as germans in a FPS? they should really do that... make the player play as the bad guy for once... why not... they could really do a whole "get the enemies POV" .. I'm sure german soldiers weren't all about "KILL KILL KILL" there like anyone else... they have family.. there scared.. they wanted to go home like anyone else.

[DavidUpton]

It's not going to happen. 70% of the fanbase for shooters consists of gung-ho teenagers who would be appalled at the idea of playing as anyone other than an American.

[Althalus28]

I think modern warfare is popular at the moment because of the technology, its often you hear people say "wow have you seen the night vision/laser pointers/javelin missiles/mini-guns/attack choppers" etc. etc. which frankly, WW2 didn't have, I'm a huge fan of WW2 genre games, but I also am ready to embrace games that use technology to full effect as far as weapons and vehicles are concerned. I also think there's a lot more critics, such as us guys who when they see something out of place put up a fuss.

I don't think we "gung-ho teenagers" care what team we play for, as long as there's explosions and excitement. Which most modern games can manage, with the hole building exploding crazy shit that bfbc2 has. Maybe once this game comes out we will see that excitement return to gaming, but for me, playing back to COD 1 and 2, i look at when i throw a frag and say, that wall should be gone, those people should be ragdoll, that scene shouldnt be so scripted, these graphics are terrible, etc.

I think its just a matter of "make something old, but make it new and fresh" which i hope this game will do.

[Fozzy The Bear]

Originally Posted by colonal chaos

I do find it funny when people say "been there done that" about WWII games when modern warfare games are getting beaten to death right now. There are far too many in my opinion. The COD M/W series, and the recent release of Bad Company 2.

But hey, people are buying.

If you noticed now modern warfare games are becoming this weird modern/futuristic/way over board genre. I mean just look at how Mw2 went about it. And too some degree BFBC2 and the new modern warfare by Codemasters called Bodycount.

But yes, I agree with you about everyone saying "OMFG i IZ tired of pl@ying WW2 gamez." Those people never liked WW2 to begin with. That's why they say that type of stuff. And pretty soon they will start bitching about how modern warfare games are so 2009. There exist a market that needs to play new games and have new content every six months. It's probably the cancer we call console that has created this never happy gamer.

[Thunder_Turkey]

I agree with kppgno, I wanna play on the German side of the battlefield and its true people often think that the Germans were just "Kill, Kill KILL!!!" Just like kppgno they all had families, children and parents, they all wanted to go home and just live life as it was. Plus I want to see the war from the German side, since well I had German troops in my family tree. About Modern Warfare games, dont get me wrong I know there men out there still dying and all that but soon, there is going to be no point of have soldiers today its become all electronic, there people controlling Drones from Texas that are in Afghanistan. I find WW2 more interesting since its was more of a epic battle and wasn't UAV it was a Recon plane. Vietnam war, well Call of Duty 7 is going to be placed in the Vietnam War and for WW1, Verdun Online is the only game I can come up with unless you play Battlefield 1942 the Mod Battlefield 1918 is pretty good.

[metsapeikko]

Originally Posted by Thunder_Turkey

there is going to be no point of have soldiers today its become all electronic, there people controlling Drones from Texas that are in Afghanistan

It just doesn't work that way. You still need boots on the ground to take and hold the land.

You still need boots on the ground to cover that 30% of the ground that you can't see from the air.
And you just can't really win hearts and minds with UAV's.
And you certainly can't win a war with UAV's.


That UAV hype is comparable to the "Machine gun"-hype, "Strategic bombing"-hype or "Tank"-hype or "Submarine"-hype. Each of those weapons were suppose to "win the war" and be the future way of warfare.

And we still have infantry.

[smith1215]

WW2 + All Quiet on the Western Front Theme/Message = Win

Need games that don't glamorize it.

[Thunder_Turkey]

Yeah we still have infantry I know that, one of my good friends out west Father is in Afghan right now, just saying that soon enough next 10 or 20 years Infantry will be nothing more then to repair/refuel the Drones

[Flyerborn]

I love the WWII feel. Modern War is all about (usually) America VS. Terrorists.

In world war 2 both sides were equal. Germans had better tanks and the battles were more fair. There was a chance that they would and very well COULD lose the war. Modern, not so much. I mean they do their best to make it 'fair' but honestly its kinda pointless. America (or whoever) will most-likely win against the terrorist every time because of equipment.

Im all up for Vietnam or Korea. Those would be amazing. Korea is kinda forgotten but Vietnam would be epic. Jungle, cities, caves. I would definately buy it. Maybe even a mod for 1944 d-day?

[metsapeikko]

Originally Posted by Flyerborn

I love the WWII feel. Modern War is all about (usually) America VS. Terrorists.

In world war 2 both sides were equal. Germans had better tanks and the battles were more fair. There was a chance that they would and very well COULD lose the war. Modern, not so much. I mean they do their best to make it 'fair' but honestly its kinda pointless. America (or whoever) will most-likely win against the terrorist every time because of equipment.

Im all up for Vietnam or Korea. Those would be amazing. Korea is kinda forgotten but Vietnam would be epic. Jungle, cities, caves. I would definately buy it. Maybe even a mod for 1944 d-day?

Okay, lets see how many things you have gotten kinda wrong here.

Its Western Civilizations vs Terrorist/Islamist extremist*.

And in world war 2, both sides weren't equal. Well, okay, maybe the world vs two and half country seemed equal to you, but from my perspective that doesn't seem quite equal at all. And most of the time, battles aren't equal either. Only a incompetent commander would order a attack when the odds/force ratio is even.

And besides, Korea isn't quite forgotten. Did you forgot that there is still war going on in Korea?

*most of the time.

[css2d]

Well the problem with most games is symmetry, team america has Machine Gun, carbine, rifle, sniper -> team terrorist needs the same, in the same ratio. With similar modifications to the weapons.

I'd be interested in an korean war game indeed, since all my information i have about it is *M*A*S*H* and that there are now 2 Koreas...

[Thunder_Turkey]

Well the Korean war is still going on it just inst a armed conflict its now basically them pointing fingers going, "Im better then you" over and over again like little children. Vietnam war I would love to see a game out of, Battlefield Vietnam was sweet and Call of Duty 7 going to place in Vietnam war. I all ways liked playing as a guerrilla, all ways seemed more fun :P

[Flyerborn]

I think you missed what i was saying about 'equal' sides during WWII.

I meant technologically the germans outclassed the allies in almost every capacity. The korean war in the 50's seems very much overlooked compared to the Vietnam war, WWII, or several other wars during that century, and finally, (i think css2d pointed this out) in games people start to complain if sides are not equal claiming 'they never had a chance to win because its unbalanced'. Not that i agree with this but most games are VERY equal.

Example:
On each side every sniper takes 2 shots in torso to kill someone. Now the 'western civilizations' sniper may be a 7.62mm round while the other could be maybe a pellet gun (example) but even though the 7.62 round was much better than the pellet, they both get the same damage as not to anger gamers.

Trying my best to make my points clear.
But anyway, a Korea or Vietnam game would be amazing to play.

[PaulSutton]

Anybody played this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Storm_(video_game)
Set in an alternate history in which World War I never ended, the game takes place in 1964, the 50th year of the war.
Iron Storm displays a mix between World War I siege tactics, such as trench warfare and the utilization of mustard gas, and some World War II-style weapons such as machine guns, mortars, tanks, and missile launchers of that era, as well as more contemporary technology such as helicopters, wireless communication, spy satellites, anti-personnel mines, and unmanned robot-turrets.

[metsapeikko]

Originally Posted by Flyerborn

I think you missed what i was saying about 'equal' sides during WWII.

I meant technologically the germans outclassed the allies in almost every capacity.

HAHAHA

No they really didn't.

[biggles]

I love Bad Company 2, but here's one that hopes that DICE will go back to the roots with Battlefield 3!

[Thunder_Turkey]

Oh they will, DICE is also working on the Multi player aspect of the New Medal of Honor coming out, which is going to be Modern Warfare. I still give Germany props, after two devastating World Wars, epically World War 2, they got back onto there feet and still on of the most powerful nations in Europe, same with France people really don't realize it but the French army kicks ass and there tank Leclerc is pretty awesome tank. Plus France has 300 Nuclear weapons at there disposal, so I still don't see why people still make fun of France army. Even in my school people say they quit to early in WW2, you mean the French army but that still didnt stop them from forming the French Resistance and slitting Nazi's throat while Britain was protecting there Isle

[Roby]

There's a few reasons for American's dislike of the French, a few include us having to bail them during WWI and WWII, and post WWII using the Marshall plan to fund their reconstruction, and I think it first came about with DeGaulle's obvious anti American standings during the formation of the NATO. More Recently is the French's legitimate protest to the war in Iraq, which many Americans believed was a legitimate war. This sentiment is slowly fading, due to many American's realizing that the war is bogus, but many Americans have taken the keepsake of "The French Suck" to make them feel better.

[Thunder_Turkey]

Yeah even though France helped them in Revolutionary War

[Sgt So and So]

Again, though, both the French and British supported the Confederacy in the Civil War.

Just sayin'.

[metsapeikko]

Originally Posted by Thunder_Turkey

...people really don't realize it but the French army kicks ass and there tank Leclerc is pretty awesome tank. Plus France has 300 Nuclear weapons at there disposal, so I still don't see why people still make fun of France army.

Maybe people don't realize that "french army kicks ass" since its not kicking ass.

And Leclerc isn't really kicking ass either. There is a quite good reason why Lerlec is being used by only two countries on this planet.

Plus nuclear weapons don't really mean anything since they're not going to use them anyways. So I do kinda see why people make fun of french army.

Foreign Legion is doing quite a good job though.

[Thunder_Turkey]

Of course France and Britain supported the Confederacy, they both wanted to keep slaves since it one of there main sources of there money, but yet still neither of them consider the Confederacy a country. France probably one of the smart ones not going to Afghanistan anyways since look at the United States Im just saying but the country is starting to fall apart because of this "war"

[.300Savage]

France's armies were never really that good. The FFL is pretty much the best thing that's happen to them. And Afghanistan wasn't really to stable before The Coalition got there. And yes i think a game on the Korean War would be awesome, for it was what i believe to be the America's last "proper" war.

[css2d]

Originally Posted by Thunder_Turkey

France probably one of the smart ones not going to Afghanistan

Actually they have the 4th biggest contingent down there.